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Andonic
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PostSubject: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeThu May 26, 2022 7:03 pm

My mechanic has been trying to source new disks for my van, but 3 times has been sent the wrong part.  We are both confident the Part number is 43512-26100

This is the webpage I use for identifying parts:
https://jp-carparts.com/toyota/part_detail.php?maker=toyota&type=711140&cartype=106&fig=4303&part=3527461

Part number 43512-26100

(Models |LH107, LH 109, LH117, LH119, LH129  From 1989 August to 1993 August (mine is 1991)

Any suggestions for sourcing these in the UK or will I have to get them from Japan?

Thanks in advance - this forum has helped me so much
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeThu May 26, 2022 10:33 pm

Howdy

Thanks for the JP-C link! I wasn’t aware of that site.

I’m in the market for some new front disks, too but have not yet put in an order so am interested to know what you’ve been sent that are wrong and from who, so I can avoid!

My general approach is to use the Toyota Electronic Parts Catalogue (EPC) data link, which for my van is:

https://toyota.epc-data.com/regius_ace/lh119v/114894/

but you can see mine is a -RRMES so it’s the manual but otherwise identical (definitely worth clicking this to be for your exact van.

For front disks (for my van) this links through to:

https://toyota.epc-data.com/regius_ace/lh119v/114894/chassis/4303/43512/

where two part numbers are listed for the front disks for the 4x4 non-ABS both with the same PNCs. One is the one you quote(43512-26100), the other is 43512-26130.

Now the fun begins!

You can see that these are both expensive and expensive to ship and seemingly only fitted to a very small number of vehicles.

My next step is usually to check the numbers against the Autodoc site:

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/

There I specify
1 - ‘Toyota’
2 - ‘Hiace Van (H100) (08/1987 – 07/2006)’, which I realise is a ridiculously and factually incorrect range of vehicles and years but see below and
3 – ‘2.8D (LH11, LH10) (61kW / 83 Hp) (08/1989 – 08/2000)’. You can also specify a reg number but I think most Japanese vehicles that were built for their domestic market and that were individually imported, especially a while ago are not properly classified.

Next I put the OEM part number into the top search option.
For 43512-26100 I get 10 options between ~£50 and ~£130 think that are all out of stock and have no equivalent. Hmmm.
For 43512-26130 I get a couple of pages with some in stock but when I click on several of them I’m told they are not suitable and clearly some have too few stud holes and iffy measurements for diameter, PCD etc. Some seem better but apparently are OEM 43512-26140 and when I put that into:
Amayama, see:

https://www.amayama.com/en/part/toyota/4351226140/diagrams

I get fitment for >1998 vehicles and equivalence with OEM 43512-26160, which is also ~>1995.
I find this ‘reverse look up’ useful but for this sort of thing as it’s infuriating.

It’s also worth narrowing down the Amayama site such as here:

https://www.amayama.com/en/catalogs/toyota/hiace/4-van-3-left-h100-1989-2728/transmission-and-chassis-2/front-axle-hub-127

to check for differences due to transmission types, fuel and engines etc etc.

Narrowing down to 4WD reveals 43512-26100 or 130 so back to square one!

Wonder if it’s worth phoning the dealer? Mine has been fabulous as I often spend with them when I’m at a complete loss (driver’s seatbelt and CV boots recently) and their parts do fit!.

Other option is to try another ‘catalogue’ part supplier. I expect the OEM’s are AISIN, but not coming up with more here.

Well this is my 2p and reason I’ve not ordered any new disks yet!

Cheers!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeSun Jun 19, 2022 5:48 pm

Hello.

Have you got anywhere yet with these brake parts? They are not my top priority, just another set of parts to find and I've been going round in circles, hence my post above.

I figured your need might be more urgent...

Cheers!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeTue Jun 21, 2022 7:09 pm

I managed to locate a compatible set of disks from a company in the Netherlands. They also have an office in Ireland, so they will ship to Ireland but not to England. So hopefully they are now with my nephew in Ireland and we need to figure out how to get them to me in London. Brembo disks 09.6746.10 www.winparts.ie
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeTue Jun 21, 2022 10:41 pm

Hello!

That's great to hear, though a bit of a pain for you.

Firstly, the more I got looking at the 43512-26100 v 43512-26130 the more I came to think that only the 43512-26100 is compatible (and all the ones on Autodoc that cross reference with that part number are still out of stock). The 43512-26130 seem to have thicker disk part ~28mm so they probably wouldn't fit with the standard calipers.

Where the ones you kept being sent too thick?

Secondly, I don't know why the Brembo 09.6746.10 are not coming up as compabitle, (but)... They have a wide range of Brembo disks listed but not these against -100. I also like Brembo stuff. They have a fantastic reputation and are generally not too expensive and when a motor factor tell me that they have a non-OEM Brembo product I usually get it; I've had brembo disks on quite a few cars and always been pleased with them.

Thirdly, I do think the Brembo 09.6746.10 will fit. The specs are here:

https://www.bremboparts.com/europe/en/catalogue/disc/09-6746-10 or https://www.bremboparts.com/europe/en/catalogue/disc/09-6746-10/pdf

It's interesting to see that this latter cross-references with Toyota '43512-26081' and using this number there are a few seemingly in stock on Autodoc (plus plenty OoS) that match that number and these seeming cross-reference with -100 and -130 plus a bunch of others.

What a Face

Mind you, some (especially the cheaper) that seemsing match 43512-26081 are 5-stud so I think these are for 2WD.

Please do update this post when you get them with how you get on, plus it'd be good to know what they cost? I'm going ask my friendly Toyota dealer for their options and prices but I'll also ask a local independent parts suppier if they can get the Brembo ones, once I hear how you've got on.

Thanks for the news!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeFri Jun 24, 2022 5:40 pm

My nephew lives in Waterford, Ireland so I may have to wait a few weeks till he next drives over here. So I can't be sure they will fit till I see them and get them to my mechanic. They cost just over £100 posted to Ireland
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeWed Aug 24, 2022 3:44 pm

Hi @andonic. Did those Brembo 09.6746.10 discs fit your Cruising Cabin in the end?

I'm looking for parts to match 43512-26100 - same as yours - but those Brembos (and indeed every other brand) seem to be out of stock right now.

Also, did you manage to source pads at the same time?

This isn't an immediate priority for me, but MOT is looming and I feel my discs may be borderline. Thickness is OK, but there's some surface pitting. Just trying to be proactive!

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeThu Aug 25, 2022 1:06 pm

Hello also keen to know more. Thanks for the message, Aces_high.


My disks are worn to very close to 20mm, which is their wear limit so I’ll be looking to put fresh ones on. The surface of them is fine but there’s quite a ridge around the edges. My pads still have life in them but will likely replace as this is good practice when replacing disks.

Yes, am hoping Andonic posts a message. I’m still in a conundrum about the exact part number and how to source as explained in my messages. 100 seems correct but unobtainable. 130 is coming up as a replacement but I don’t think this is compatible.

The Brembo disk does not come up on Autodoc as compatible for my van. If they fit Andonic’s, which I think they will, I’ll not be too bothered about the Autodoc opinion. It’s also possible that there are others that equate to the Brembo parts that will also fit and these are more available.

I think pads should be simpler, but this is another hurdle. I might go to Toyota for these, as there seems to be quite a bewildering variety that are probably all discontinued, but might add something to the thread on these, too?

I’ve not made any inroads in my van’s hydraulics; I made the post on flare nut spanners for this reason (which I’ve also not bought yet). Having had to free a front brake calliper of my car for its MOT I’m wondering about the performance of the callipers on the van. I know this is away from disks but the callipers are a critical part of the system. Doing the work on my car has given a much more progressive feel to the brakes, which seems a lot better.

When chatting at the MOT garage the guy there said he will do a brake (calliper) service, which he recommends every other year (or so) to pull the piston out clean off the burrs etc, replace the seals and put everything back. The snag is that the labour and small parts cost of this is often more than a new calliper costs and you still end up with an old calliper.

I need to work out which of the seemingly 6 ‘Scheme’s I have. It’s not clear on the EPC, but when I do the filtering on Amayama direct my ’93 ‘LH119V-RRMES’ it’s comes down to just one, which is better!
It’s:

https://www.amayama.com/en/catalogs/toyota/hiace/4-van-3-left-h100-1998-r-2734/transmission-and-chassis-2/front-disc-brake-caliper-dust-cover-142?filter%5Bdrive%5D=4WD&filter%5Btransmission%5D=MT&filter%5Bengine%5D=3L&filter%5Byears%5D=1993

Callipers are ~£370 each, but I think this is everything including the pad carrier (which is ~£70 anyhow) all bolts etc so rebuild is a clear option with parts in the £10s. Will see.

Pads there are still complicated!

I will also probably replace the disk covers unless my welding skills improve!

At least from a design point of view work on the callipers and pads doesn’t mean the hubs have to come off (unlike the disks) so this is a bit secondary and less involved I suppose.


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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2022 12:54 pm

Yes! They were the right ones. Now fitted and all seems good. Note that this was the part from 1989 August to 1993 August (mine is 1991). After August 1993 there is a different part number.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeSun Aug 28, 2022 11:12 pm

Hello

Sorry to pry, but did you also change the pads?

I’m not asking from a compliance point of view but from a part number perspective. As I wrote above the pad numbers seems as hazy as the disks!

Will be asking my local place about the disks. Keen to know if I should also do the same for pads (and with numbers) or just head to Toyota?

Many thanks!!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeTue Aug 30, 2022 10:06 pm

Hi LH119V - not prying at all. Happy to share information, especially as you have been so helpful in sharing. Yes, pads were all changed at the same time as the disks. But, my mechanic sourced the pads for me, so I didn't get the part numbers. He told me that unlike the disks themselves, the pads were easy to get hold of. Nick

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Hi and no problem!

I might give your garage a buzz to ask. I think you've recommended them in a past post and I’m sure I can do a quick search to find them then ask then directly. The pads I have may also yield some number info and they are actually not that old.

The disks on mine should have been replaced the last time the pads (which are much newer than the disks) were done. Probably the complexity (therefore cost) put the previous owner off. Saying in order to change the disks you need to remove the hubs will scare many, with the possibility of finding more problems, but disks are a high-ish wear service item.

Thanks for getting back!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119   Help with locating new front brake disks for my 1991 LH119 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 06, 2022 4:54 pm

Hello both

Andonic, I gave your garage a call and they were able to confirm the pads as 'Delphi LP989'. I will get the same and am adding this here for posterity!!

Cheers

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