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brewera Not so new now
Number of posts : 51 Home City : Hood River, Oregon Model and year : 1993 Hiace Super Custom 4WD 1KZ-TE Registration date : 2020-09-13
| Subject: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:55 pm | |
| I am converting my van into a little adventure machine with a house battery. I scored an AGM battery for the house from a local van building outfit for cheap but plan on upgrading to Lithium Ion once they drop down to the $500 range at bigger capacities in a couple years.
I found a listing on ebay from a UK company that sells 140amp upgrade alternators and wanted to see if anyone else has gone this route and whether not they encountered any issues. Appreciate the insight. | |
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AgathaAlice Im not old...just experienced
Number of posts : 350 Age : 70 Home City : Hamilton New Zealand Model and year : As of August 1st 2022 we no longer have a Toyota. Registration date : 2018-08-31
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:10 am | |
| Diesel or petrol van? If diesel be aware that there is a vacuum pump combined with the alternator for operating the brake booster, you'd need to be sure the replacement had that or make some other arrangement for a vacuum pump. Also you won't be using a Lithium Ion battery! What you're meaning is a Lithium Iron Phosphate battery (LiFePO4 for short; very different chemistry and charging requirements from Li Ion!) You will have a difficult time arranging for the correct charging of the LiFePO4 battery as they need to be treated quite differently from Lead Acid batteries otherwise they will have a very short and expensive life, however you may find some product which can take the input from the alternator and regulate it to correct levels. As yet I haven't found one, at least not at a reasonable price point. For your AGM battery you can probably just fit a voltage sensitive relay and all will be well. Before you do any of this please do a LOT of online research into the charging and maintenance of lead acid and LiFePO4 batteries, believe me it is a huge can of worms, there's so much more to it than you'd at first think. | |
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brewera Not so new now
Number of posts : 51 Home City : Hood River, Oregon Model and year : 1993 Hiace Super Custom 4WD 1KZ-TE Registration date : 2020-09-13
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:34 pm | |
| It is a diesel. The alternator I found mentions direct compatibility with OEM part number: 27060-67040 80A (discontinued) which was replaced with 27060-67120 80A. I will verify with the seller.
As for the battery, my bad on mentioning ION. I come from a tech history and threw the Ion in there out of habit. I will be replacing the AGM battery with a LiFePO4 down the road.
I appreciate the concern that I am not going into this wildly. I will be using a MPPT DC-DC charger along with a solar panel to help with non-bulk phases when parked. I have multiple local van electrical resources that have been guiding me at my phases in equipment selection and implementation. | |
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AgathaAlice Im not old...just experienced
Number of posts : 350 Age : 70 Home City : Hamilton New Zealand Model and year : As of August 1st 2022 we no longer have a Toyota. Registration date : 2018-08-31
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:42 am | |
| Great, sorry I wasn't trying to be an ass I would just hate to see a forum member jump into it without the necessary knowledge. As it happens I have not yet found a way to get ours to work the way I want it to, even the very expensive Redarc systems don't do everything I want, and do a lot of things I'd never want like Bluetooth for example. | |
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brewera Not so new now
Number of posts : 51 Home City : Hood River, Oregon Model and year : 1993 Hiace Super Custom 4WD 1KZ-TE Registration date : 2020-09-13
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:05 pm | |
| No worries. I completely understand where you are coming from. On a side note, I'm pretty sure the 1KZ-TE engines of my vintage don't have the vacuum pump integrated with the alternator. On mine, it is located on the other side of the engine below the timing gear. | |
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AgathaAlice Im not old...just experienced
Number of posts : 350 Age : 70 Home City : Hamilton New Zealand Model and year : As of August 1st 2022 we no longer have a Toyota. Registration date : 2018-08-31
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:04 am | |
| Just had a thought: at least you don't have a 3L like I have, I suspect that trying to generate 140 amps from a 3L would just about stop the vehicle moving, they're slow enough with the standard engine loading! | |
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GPW Hiace Master
Number of posts : 1527 Home City : Cambridge, UK Model and year : Model: KD-KZH100G-MRPGT
Year: 1996
Colour: 4K1
Trim: FN42
Registration date : 2016-07-16
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:15 pm | |
| - brewera wrote:
- I will be replacing the AGM battery with a LiFePO4 down the road.
The issue with Lithium is that they draw a much bigger charge current.... ... and the issue with a 140A alternator, or even an 80A, is that at idle, it will overheat and fail.So what people do is feed the alternator output into a current limiter (Sold as a BMS, as you also want to control the voltage very carefully). My own feeling is the the important bit is 'energy in' >= 'energy out', the capacity of the battery is secondary . Of course to drive to a location and requiring N days of power is solved by a bigger capacity, but in general even the biggest will go flat. | |
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GPW Hiace Master
Number of posts : 1527 Home City : Cambridge, UK Model and year : Model: KD-KZH100G-MRPGT
Year: 1996
Colour: 4K1
Trim: FN42
Registration date : 2016-07-16
| Subject: Re: 140amp UPGRADE alternator over the stock 80amp? Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:19 pm | |
| Incidentally, the standard battery is in a 'tube', so you could consider the space underneath that, with a metal bracket you could hang a (shallower) leisure battery there, nicely out of the way.
But not a lithium, as it would get too cold, but an 20mm odd insulation pad underneath would probably be a good idea anyway. | |
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