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JT69
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PostSubject: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am

Suspension on my SC is still knocking replaced drop links shocks sway bar bushes now suspect upper arm ball joints looks to me we have to replace the whole arm not just the ball joint is this the part 48067-29095 or is it possible to just do the ball joint.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 9:47 am

You can check the joints:

The Hiace's front torsion bar suspension acts on the upper arm so the upper balljoint is under load at all times.

If jacked so the wheels hang loose the balljoint hangs away from its seat and some up-and-down movement will be seen if the wheel is crowbarred in the usual MOT lift-check.

According to Toyota main-dealer testers the suspension should be jacked under the lower arms for this test, if there is no sideways movement in the joint, no noise on swivelling and no lift more than a few mm, then the joint passes.

Some joints seem to be replaceable, some don't, some have no grease nipples, some have blanking bolts and some have no facility for them (mine!) so I'll have to peel back the boot, unload them and try to grease them that way (Moly grease IIRC).

The problem with a knocking noise is that is can be very difficult to trace and can be totally unrelated to suspension too, I'd check radiators are mounted correctly etc too.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 10:00 am

It is definitely suspension related as when lifting with two post lift there was the same knock sound as it came off the ground this is why I am now suspecting the ball joints is this number 48067-29095 part on ebay the correct part got the number from JP-car parts .com, looks correct on ebay 72.00.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 10:21 am

That's a very encouraging price and availability!!

Apart from the roof I think you have exactly the same van as me, 1996 SC with the 3ltr.

I'll let Hiace4wd confirm the part number as I have no idea: he has Toyota contacts IIRC.

Could you post your parts link? (not the ebay one, the jpparts one!)

Mine is a KZH100G-MRPGT (1993/08 - 2004/08) model so I look here
http://jp-carparts.com/toyota/figlist.php?maker=toyota&type=711140&cartype=136

Specifically this page:
http://jp-carparts.com/toyota/partlist.php?maker=toyota&type=711140&cartype=136&fig=4802

Image 1 and 2 differ, mine matches image 2, part 48066 (RH) and 48067 (LH)
For 1996 this comes out as
48066-29095 Right
48067-29095 Left

So my research agrees with your part numbers.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 10:34 am

Yes we concur on part numbers easily available on ebay just got to be certain on diagnosis if I slacken the torsion bar off all the way I should be able to check for play in the ball joint as there is still much pressure on the ball joint if not unwound, or option 2 take the hex nut off knock joint out of hub to check it.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 11:06 am

I have no Toyota contacts haha. I just find my way on Toyodiy

@JT96, can you share your model code? Like KZH100G-MRPGT or so, which is on the VIN plate under engine cover (under left chair).
Alternatively you can also give the whole VIN number.

I think there are mainly two types. Super customs with 1KZ (and probably 2wd) are likely to have to one with a seperate ball joint. The vans with 4 cilinders 2.4 or 2.8 diesels, and specifically with 4wd have the whole thing in one, no separate ball joint.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 11:28 am

I am sure its all one piece as on the JP site picture shows no separate ball joint my model number is KZH132V-EFPDT (1995/08 - 2004/08
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 12:11 pm

If you have exactly a KZH132V-EFPDT than it is all one piece.

But if I throw in the part number into Ebay (this is just one side) you get immitation brand for pretty cheap:
https://www.ebay.nl/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=48067-29095&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=3

If you would have a seperate ball joint, there would be two bolts visible through the upper arm. Should be visible with wheel removed or turned completely to one side.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Wed May 16, 2018 7:06 pm

If you dangle a smartphone over the front wheel you can take a picture of the control arm fitted to your van, or use a small mirror.

As I said - mine is the Image 2 but there is a different style in image 1, but they both look so different I think you'll know quickly enough.

For 72 delivered I'd be changing both for the german parts, in fact even if mine pass the MOT I'll probably buy a pair in reserve. They are $309 each on the jp-parts site + import duty and postage.
IF they are made by Febi they're great value, but I suspect any genuine german part will be good, at least no one is going to make fake parts for the old Hiace as the market is too small (the bearing world for cars is awash in fakes - always get bearings for reputable sources). The photos don't show grease nipples - would be interested to see if they have them.

ETA: You can buy Febest direct from here:
https://shop.febest.eu/left-upper-front-arm-0124-lh154lh.html
https://shop.febest.eu/right-upper-front-arm-0124-lh154rh.html
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 am

It may just be worth checking this: my Hiace developed a knock in the front suspension, as you describe. It was found to be a broken bracket which holds the torsion bar in place. (one each side I believe). Toyota were unable to source a replacement part but it was so simple that a local metal working place made one as it's only mild steel in a ? shape.
If you're lucky and this has happened to yours it would be way cheaper than the ball joint.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu May 17, 2018 8:52 am

No broken brackets but thanks to all and especial GPW will buy those from Germany as soon as I take old one off to diagnose them.
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PostSubject: HELP Hiace upper ball joint catastrophic failure   Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:12 am

A few weeks ago my '94 hiace commuter was squeaking annoyingly. I remove the left wheel and sprayed the torsion bar forward mounts with lube. The squeak eased over a few days. Kids borrowed it for a camping trip, did some 1000km. I then drove it some 250km, no squeak but a strange knock which grew more noticeable. Thought it was something loose such as the jack rolling about, the sort of thing one decides to look at when you get home.

While driving slowly out of a carpark the upper ball joint snapped between the ball joint itself and where it mounts on the upper arm - I think. Have yet to remove wheel to check damage.

Any insights? This could have caused a very serious accident.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:09 am

As you can read in above posts I cured my untraceable knock with new upper arms it can only have been the ball joints however there is now a very pronounced squeak as wjrm63 describes the failed ball joints on mine allso squeaked about a year ago before starting to knock, earlier posts mention said ball joints with grease nipples or blanking plugs the Febest ones have neither. Has anyone drilled them to fitt grease nipples and did it cure the squeaking or will I be replacing them again in 12 months. By the way no play can be detected in ball joints off the SC and it did pass MOT whilst still knocking.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:11 pm

wjrm63 wrote:

Any insights? This could have caused a very serious accident.

That's rather serious, also worrying about the squeak in JT69's joints.
There are two designs of upper arms, until we see photographs I'd only be guessing, please post them up when you get the wheel off for a look.
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:19 pm

This is one of a pair purchased as I said no grease nipple can they be drilled and taped have the old ones to practice on.
https://shop.febest.eu/right-upper-front-arm-0124-lh154rh.html
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PostSubject: Re: Upper arm Ball joint   Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:04 pm

JT69 wrote:
This is one of a pair purchased as I said no grease nipple can they be drilled and taped have the old ones to practice on.
https://shop.febest.eu/right-upper-front-arm-0124-lh154rh.html

I'm not so sure that should be needed. Ball joints have been used on modern cars for ages without greasing points and last for ages, but perhaps because there is the constant spring load on these they need them.

If you take the rubber cover off is there a ring that allows you to unscrew the balljoint from the arm?
In my car's lower balljoint they merely screw in.

Also if you take the cover off the old one can you identify any source of the knocking you had?
My ones are the original (Toyota, no nipple) but you can see grease stains on the arms as if as part of the service they were somehow unloaded and greased.
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